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Boom! What Did You Think of the Fourth of July Fireworks?

Everywhere in southeast Michigan Wednesday night, fireworks, smoke and lots of pops and booms filled the air. Folks were amused and/or annoyed with the results of the new law. What did you think?

State law now allows , but the actual booms, pops, sparks and flashes had people reacting Wednesday night.

Some were thrilled with the spectacle. Others were miffed with the noise and smoke.

What did you think? Tell us in comments or in the poll.

Charles L Walls July 07, 2012 at 06:18 PM
Gun control advocates will relentlessly point out anecdotal situations where a gun is used intentionally or even accidentally to try to justify more gun control laws. The founding fathers did not specifically provide the right to bear arms in the US Constitution in order to better enable people to hunt for food, or to have a ready militia...or even to protect themselves from their neighbors. No...Rather, the founding fathers had just recently participated in a revolution against unjust taxation, and they realized that even a government formed with the best of intentions will become corrupt if allowed to become too powerful. That's why the original US government had very limited taxation powers, and it required an actual Constitutional Amendment in order to allow the INCOME TAX to be imposed. So, making sure that citizens are well armed is ONE way to control the power hungry politicians who try to legislate more and more taxes. Did you even notice that the political party that relentlessly tries to confiscate more and more money from the citizenry is the same political party that is always in favor of more gun control? It is not coincidence! Remember the dirty little secret of liberalism: government's purpose is to help me satisfy MY needs and wants with OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY!
Lee Jacobsen July 07, 2012 at 06:37 PM
Marooned, your examples onlly work if the bad guys follow the law. The government can't make an insane person tell the truth on an application form. The criminal is certainly going to scoff at the law that says he can't possess a handgun, what's one more law to ignore on his quest for robbing folk? The government can't make him follow the law. Somehow, someway, Ohio folk can survive with fireworks, how did they ever do it, are they tougher nuts to crack? Besides freedom and enjoyment', the new fireworks ;policy created jobs, saved Michigan folk the hassle of going to Ohio, and yes, did bring tax money to the State. Those are all positives. Would that money spent on fireworks in Michigan be better spent in Ohio? Of course not! Larger fireworks are new, and like most new stuff, it sparks interest. Eventually, like that new boat, BBQ grille, dart board, you name it, the novelty of big fireworks will wear off and this will all be a footnote, reintroduced every 4th of July. The city of Dearborn will eventually provide guidelines as to when we can shoot off fireworks, and , like always, the courteous will comply, and the rest will enjoy their freedom, at the risk of getting caught.
Lee Jacobsen July 07, 2012 at 07:16 PM
Charles, fireworks and guns are just objects. When used properly, they are safe and when used improperly, accidents and bad things happen. Statistics can support almost any point of view. It all depends on which ones you use, and their context. Switzerland, the neutral country for hundreds of years, requires every lad (and perhaps lasses) to be trained and carry a firearm , and that training continues on into their 50s. We are talking automatic assault rifles, plus pistols etc. Yet they have almost no crime involving guns, and the murder rate is miniscule compared to the rest of the world. See here. http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html My point? Harm can been done with practically any item, whether fireworks, guns, or a hard loaf of bread. Responsible use is the key. The government can pass guidelines for use, but the ultimate responsibility lies with the user. The Darwin award winner for 2012 happened to involve a gun. The 2012 DARWIN AWARDS ARE HERE!! THE WINNER: 1. When his .38 caliber revolver failed to fire during a hold-up in Long Beach, California, would-be robber James Elliot did something that can only inspire wonder. He peered down the barrel and tried the trigger again. This time it worked.
marooned in Dbn July 07, 2012 at 07:35 PM
Yes, Lee, you are right, a gov. can't make an insane person tell the truth on an application. But he still cant own a gun. Just like Rachel mentioned about the loosening of the helmet laws for motorcycles, but two wrongs or 6 wrongs dont make a right, or more precisely, a right policy. OK, I will in the future, stay silent about the public's new-found/granted right, to own mortar shell fireworks. I will defer to my daughter, the right to treat the injuries of the "victims", in hospital. Just as the businessman/woman who operates at the point of sale, and makes a profit, from the explosive devices, my kid operates in the hospital, and makes a profit from the re-attachment of limbs. I close my debate.
Wordy July 07, 2012 at 10:02 PM
They should outlaw dogs too. They're much too loud. And they should start fining people who let their cats run around outside unsupervised, peeing and crapping in everyone's garden and killing birds. It's illegal for people to kill song birds so why should it be legal for people to kill them with their unleashed cats?
marooned in Dbn July 07, 2012 at 11:09 PM
I'm with you Wordy. However, a lot of these pest felines are just that....PESTS. They are fed/harbored by ppl who, inside mean well, but are enabling more public harm than good. I would say that most, (99%), of these cats are feral. It's not that ppl are abandoning them as much as it's the harborers that supply them with food, leaveing them lots of free time to procreate.
Lee Jacobsen July 07, 2012 at 11:32 PM
Obviously a case of mistaken identity, those creatures you think are cats are actually raccoons, often quite smarter than cats. My cat looks like a raccoon, is fat like a raccoon, but, unlike a raccoon, enjoys his adventures on the couch rather than the backyard. Regarding dogs, they are smart enough to make it to the Darwin Awards, and much smarter than their masters. This one involves Michigan, a dog, and my favorite Jeep. http://www.darwinawards.com/legends/legends1999-09.html
marooned in Dbn July 08, 2012 at 03:48 PM
No, Lee, at least in my case these really are cats. I see them all the time.
Penny Agee July 08, 2012 at 04:15 PM
I already left my post on the other Patch article on the fireworks "law" but I just had to interject that it wasn't just the east-side that was bad. We're on the edge of the west-side (by Gulley) which is also by Dbn Hts and Inkster so it was going great guns (literally) in my area as well. We were at our place up north with our 3 dogs enjoying the peace and quiet from July 3 to July 7. Which is where we'll be this time each year hereafter. I think we should have bought a bigger place and start inviting some Dearbornites up there for a respite from this insanity!
Gilda Tamburro July 08, 2012 at 05:08 PM
These are 2 of the local ordinances that are violated by those launching fireworks. I'm sure some of you will say that the state law overrides local ordinances, etc. etc. etc. Sec. 16-14. - Litter. No person shall deposit or cause to be deposited, sort, scatter, throw, drop or leave any waste, rubbish or garbage on any public or private place in the city. (Ord. No. 90-495, § 9, 6-19-90) Sec. 13-43. - General noise regulations. It shall be unlawful for any person to create, assist in creating, permit, continue or permit the continuance of any unreasonably loud, disturbing, unusual or unnecessary noise which annoys, disturbs, injures, or endangers the comfort, repose, health, peace or safety of others within the limits of the city. (Ord. No. 10-1268, 5-3-10) The city spent $$$??? implementing a waste management process to keep garbage off the streets only to allow littering with fireworks shells. As a city I don't think we want to do that. Defeats the purpose. Also, isn't there a $500 fine if someone is caught littering? To the best of my knowledge that law is still in effect.
Barney D. July 08, 2012 at 07:06 PM
Wait just a minute...the motorcycle helmet repeal DOES affect all of us because ultimately we ALL pay in the form of higher medical costs and/or longterm disability costs, regardless of what kind of health care system this country ends up with.
Lee Jacobsen July 08, 2012 at 08:19 PM
Barney, regarding motorcycle helmets and medical costs, Michigan drivers are already paying the highest fees , now raised to $175 per vehicle , for a catastrophic insurance fund, the only one of its kind in the USA, and the most secretive. It has billions in it and many are wondering why it can't be disbanded , and all Michigan drivers, and their vehicles , get a rebate. Here is the debate. http://www.darwinawards.com/legends/legends1999-09.html Also, at the very least, modify the fee struction, have the fee for just drivers, not per car, as a driver can only use one car at a time, right? The fund should be dissolved, since, as you pointed out, we are all paying for the injuries anyway with Medicaid, etc. Next thing you know, we will have suggested a fund for Fireworks injuries.
Lee Jacobsen July 08, 2012 at 08:22 PM
'Oops!' Wrong link ! Use this one for Catastrophic Insurance http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/04/readers_unite_over_objections.html
Tim Johnson July 08, 2012 at 09:15 PM
There is a difference between the government establishing a law to protect people from themselves and doing so to protect people from others. If you purchase a weapon, you are not affecting others unless you actually use it illegally. There is no way you can blow off a Roman Candle in a neighborhood and not impact everyone around you, and no one spends hundreds of dollars on these fireworks just to have them sitting unused in their garage. This is why I support both local and state governments establishing laws restricting the use of these enhanced fireworks, and will vote against any candidate wfo will not do so. That and the fact it took me two days and over $100 in medication and stuff to settle my basset hound down aftter this nonsense.
Lee Jacobsen July 08, 2012 at 09:48 PM
Tim, I agree with you. That is why, with firearms, there are places to shoot them safely and legally, such as gun ranges. There should be places set aside by the govt/city, so fireworks can be set off safely and not hassle the rest of the neighborhood. Suggestions?? Perhaps we could restrict use of these 'super' fireworks to wide open spaces at parks and schools, at night they should be empty (for the most part) and away from homes. One minor problem. It is against Michigan State law. Perhaps Dearborn can pass something to test that law. Right now, residents can apply for permits to shoot fireworks on public property. Whether they are granted is another story. The city might create a simple permit test, ie ask you to light a match, and watch to see if you burn your fingers in the process. Not my call. You would think courtesy and common sense with fireworks would be enough. It isn't.
Gilda Tamburro July 08, 2012 at 10:47 PM
Wide open area, where, in Dearborn? How is it controlled? Dearborn Parks are all in residentials areas. When they did them at Ford Woods park, way back, the fire dept was there just in case of a fire. I can just see some landing on Ford Road or Greenfield. Why not camp Dearborn - that's a wide open area with plenty of water.
Charles L Walls July 08, 2012 at 10:50 PM
But, Barney, there is a bright side here: When a motorcyclist without a helmet has an accident, the hospitalization is often very short, and healthcare cost may terminate sooner.
Lee Jacobsen July 09, 2012 at 01:44 AM
Gilda, all around the Civic Center, it is pretty wide open, The Henry Ford Library and parking lot, the areas around schools are also pretty wide open. Granted, if someone brings professional size mortar shells, there may be a space issue. However, remember that the big ones go up higher, and turn to ash long before they make it back down. We have all been to the Dearborn Homecoming, and experienced those great fireworks, has one , even one burning ember made it down to the crowd.? I have been going for years, and even the parachute pyrotechnics burn out before hitting the ground. Others may have been burned. Know anyone? Govt can't remove all the risk.in our lives, just protect us from the obvious stuff.
Gilda Tamburro July 09, 2012 at 03:21 AM
Lee, I can understand where you are coming from. The concern I have is that these types of fireworks typically end up in the hands of amateurs that often times lack common sense. In my neighborhood kids were launching these things and the parents were just sitting there. I guess we shall see what happens on Labor Day. Does anyone know how much money people are spending on these things?
L A Keils July 09, 2012 at 12:23 PM
I agree. Fireworks in the hands of amateurs can and do blind, maim and kill people and they often hurt animals and start fires. If fireworks laws are going to be more permissive there should be a limit to the hours they can be fired - also what about Canton's law that they can't be set off within 200 feet of a residence or trees and shrubs...hmmm...that would help a lot! And I would add re the comment by Mr. Walls below that the helmet law doesn't only affect the motorcyclists but is expected to cost Michigan taxpayers 55 MILLION dollars most of which will be added to the cost of health insurance. I don't want to pay another dollar and certainly not $1,000 more a year so someone else can have a bad injury riding helmet "free." The $20,000 insurance they have to buy to go helmet free doesn't cover the cost of the emergency room let alone the other costs.
Bob Correll July 09, 2012 at 02:09 PM
Ha! My how are opinions can change when it hits home! Oh and who made YOU the judge of the liability the rest of us will accept? In my OPINION, your sit on your hands and wait to see what government comes up with is, at best, naive. I do, however, hope you find your cat. Be in peace.
Bob Correll July 09, 2012 at 02:25 PM
The general opinion is negative. Most of us do not intend to make a career of this debate.
marooned in Dbn July 09, 2012 at 06:23 PM
I can field that question. The man who lost half his hand in Taylor spent 179.00 on mortar, and other types of stuff. His medical bills over time should tally up to the tens of thousands of dollars level.
Lee Jacobsen July 09, 2012 at 06:53 PM
Bob, then to sum the debate up, the majority opinion concluded on this issue is a big negative on the neighbor folk who lack courtesy and common sense regarding the use of more powerful fireworks to their fellow neighbors. Obviously, many are also annoyed with the govt at local and state level for not controlling the behavior of these inconsiderate individuals. And, just as obviously, many folk will just ignore the govt anyway and do what they want, and if caught, so be it. Those folk don't care. They are on reality shows all the time. They will be a small fraction of the majority, but a pain in the neck. At least, safety was not an issue, as injuries remained the same as previous years regarding the use of fireworks. http://www.freep.com/article/20120706/NEWS05/207060395/Revamped-fireworks-law-doesn-t-ignite-spike-in-injuries?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs
Lee Jacobsen July 09, 2012 at 08:01 PM
Bob, most of your comment does not make any sense. I am just a resident like you are, and , as a resident , can offer opinions on fireworks ad infinitium. Regarding liability, what would you accept? Regarding the 'wait and see' attitude, is it better to 'rush to judgement', or sit on our hands a little bit and see what other cities are doing. Dearborn Hts likes our city's approach to the problem, and , since you and I are not officials, what can we do but express our opinions via the Jessica connection of Patch and hope some take notice. Somehow, Ohio residents have survived for years, as have others in 38 States. I suspect the responses regarding this topic are jumping around in your computer, I mentioned days ago that my cat used the noise of the fireworks as a hunting aid, flushing out prey. He had fun. Thanks for your concern, however.
cmg July 09, 2012 at 08:36 PM
There are a lot of people on here that have nothing to do. Wow. Truth is the law is stupid. But it's only stupid if you're stupid to do it. I watched 7 men in a yard 2 down from me light fireworks next to the their gas grill, I was hoping they would blow up, because that's just stupid. Oh and they're drinking of course. And to the one who said something about "they should go back to their country" they are, they're Americans, just stupid. I enjoyed having to wash my car the next morning from all their crap. Whatever.
Whineasaurus Rex July 09, 2012 at 08:55 PM
If these fireworks were so powerful and so dangerous, considering the number of people using them and the amount of fireworks used, (and I quote: "It was LITERALLY like a war zone!") How come more people weren't seriously injured. Either it was a miracle, which I don't believe, or reality did not bear out the fears expressed here by various Chicken Littles. Indeed, the sky did not fall down and the streets were not littered with the shattered bodies of children separated from their limbs by high explosives. Now if we could only get the government out of any number of other areas where its nose does not belong.
Lee Jacobsen July 09, 2012 at 09:01 PM
Gilda, a neighbor (of my Mom's) in Dearborn Hts sets off between $35 and $40 thousand dollars of fireworks in less than a ten minute span, (all large $179 mortars) every year. No problems. The only complaint is from 'Ram's Horn', as it stops traffic which fills up their parking lot to watch. He has a party, and the finale is 30 mortars a minute until they are gone. Note that he did this in past years when they were illegal and had no 'issues'. That is because he invited all the neighbors to the party, and everyone had a great time. The lots are a little larger, but big mortars go up very high, make pretty colors, loud noise, and burn out harmlessly. It's over at 10:15, and everyone is happy. They leave. For the tech folk, launching was done from beach sand, and computer controlled. A much smarter process than the idiot who blew up his hand. (his comment: "they should make those fuses longer" ) Marooned, you are probably right, and the taxpayer will pick up his bill. Why? If he could not set off fireworks, odds are he did not have insurance, since he is unemployed, yet still had $180 to buy fireworks? http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/man-loses-parts-of-fingers-when-firework-exploded-with-his-hand-inches-away
katherine Cairns July 12, 2012 at 04:39 AM
I totally agree. It has been ridiculous in the Levagood park neighborhood.
Bob Correll July 26, 2012 at 03:15 PM
Lee, Because injuries remained the same, "safety was not an issue". This "acceptable loss" attitude reminds me of Vietnam. Like war, it is not an issue for most people unless it has harmed one of theirs. Until then, it is not their problem. OK, I give. Moving on.

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