What did you think of the performances by Ryan and Biden? And remember, please keep the conversation focused on the issues and not on personal attacks.

Ryan had command of the issues, while Biden could only intercept

Ryan still can't answer how Romney will pay for his tax cuts.

I agree with Al. I would not want to take a chance on Biden ever becoming president.

I felt that Ryan was clear and precise answering all the questions he was asked; when he could get a word in that is. I can't believe the mediator didn't tell Biden to stop interrupting. I mean wasn't that supposed to be her job??? Biden didn't make much sense to me at all. He seemed very childish, snide, and insincere. I like the conduct Ryan held and I like what he had to say. Romney and Ryan are the kind of men this nation need in office!

biden -just kept interupting and laughing like and idiot--very rude---

Its a scarey thought to think old Biden could be president if any thing happen to Obama. Romney got my vote for president thanks to Biden tonight.

Biden was rude, disrespectful, and desperate. Shame on the ABC moderator for not bringing in the reigns

Loved the moderator, and thought Biden won on all fronts, but grooming.
http://www.classwarfareexists.com/biden-brazenly-fact-checks-paul-ryan-throughout-entire-vp-debate/#axzz293mN1cCb

vice presidential debates...  A CBS News poll of uncommitted voters using an online panel found that both candidates made solid impressions, but that more of those voters felt that the debate was a win for Biden. The survey found that 50 percent thought Biden won, 31 percent that Ryan won, and 19 percent that the debate was a tie.

Justin Verlander... 100 percent and was brilliant.

Biden won by a landside. Ryan looked like he was hiding his parties true agenda.

Biden was able to talk over Ryan, he scored some points. Ryan had better command of the issues, but Biden came off as more forceful. Biden also came off as a rude, cranky old man.

I'm surprised Biden has any teeth.
If he were a regular citizen without his bodyguards and the protection of the Government, someone would have knocked his teeth in long ago---- no longer would he walk around with that sarcastic smile.

The issues facing this country are serious and I don't want some sarcastic, grinning, fool running it. We need serious, thoughtful people not some vying for a comic reality show spot.

I found Biden's condescending attitude hard to tolerate while watching the debate. Ryan was precise in making his answers when he could during the times he wasn't interrupted.

When all the Republicans can talk about is Biden's smile while he had total command of the facts, you know he won. It was ok when Romney smiled and interrupted our President, but when Biden was correcting, (as he should), putting forth the facts, (as he should), correcting Ryan on his lack of knowledge about our troops, (as he should), correcting Ryan about his false statements about the economy, (as he should) reminding Ryan of the letters he sent Biden agreeing and thanking him on stimulus, (as he should) ....Biden had a clear sense of the facts..Ryan was memorized and looked inexperienced. Biden leads and be next to that red button, Ryan flip flops with Romney,(reference this weeks comments pandering to woman from Romney on woman choice), and is not ready for this. I will take a smile, an attitude, and confidence from my leaders any day!
Fox News is now whining about Martha Radditz, and some have called her a bully. Hmmmmmm

Typo..sorry..Biden leads and CAN be next to that red button.

Sooo it was ok for Romney to interrupt Obama????

Republicans change their minds and values consistently

Funny when Romney interrupts a president it reflects leadership, when Biden interrupts a Congressman he is rude. Please people fair is fair. Get over it. Biden has this one.

Still no specifics from Ryan, and still no explanation of how the increased spending and tax cuts Romney proposes will not add to the deficit.

Biden was rude and acted like the class clown. When you have no answers. You smile and giggle.

Ryan could not...and would not answer some of the questions that were asked..reminded me so much of Romney..full of lies and deceit..when he didnt have a truthful answer he was always in-direct

Read transcript ... tie. Listen on radio ... Biden. Watch on tv ... Ryan. Both made some good points, but couldn't stand watching Biden act like the terror attacks, and our govt not protecting our ambasador was some big joke ... and only he gets the punchline.

Can no one see the irony that people are complaining that Biden interrupted a lot, when it was Governor Romney who interrupted the President, the Moderator, and was far ruder in the last debate.

Biden knows his stuff. He gave facts and showed a mature and deep command of the issues. I really thought that Ryan would give him a run for his money, but he actually skirted issues, avoided straight answers, and behaved like an uneasy and petulant child. Seriously, STOP with the stupid, cheesy 'real people'; stories. They sound so darned fake. How can anyone compare Romney paying for someone's college education to destroying national tax breaks for college tuition? Crazy.

Unless you are deaf and dumb, you have to admit Biden defeated Ryan in this debate. Biden forced Ryan to admit to a number of unpopular positions, and exposed the Republican economic "plan" as absurd in its claims to simultaneously lower taxes and increase revenues. This debate reclaimed the populist high ground for the Democrats.

It may have been hard to determine who won, but clearly the American People Lost. The Vice President's behavior may be popular with Occupy Wall Street, but it was clearly beneath the office Vice President Biden holds. Congressman Ryan attempted to explain many times while Biden and the Moderator interrupted him. Where Ryan missed was to explain why Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, and EPA overregulation are strangling our economy and that is why our growth is so anemic.

Ryan could have also trotted out GE as the poster child of why we need to cut loopholes in the tax code.

The respectful way Romney corrected the President was OK, the disrespectful way Biden yammered while Ryan was speaking was poor. Just because we know the Vice President is a Joke does not give him a pass.

I love how so many people can watch the exact same event and yet come away with such a variety of responses. Hurray Democracy!

It's clear both men had a command of the facts (even if they both varied on the truthiness of them), just as it is clear one conducted himself in a professional manner instead of an overly-dramatic, flustered responder. Tomayto / Tomahto... the two parties will never agree on the issues, but one thing is clear -- Mr. Ryan conducted himself in a professional manner. It's all in your delivery people... Communication 101.

Way back when I belonged to a high school forensics club, interrupting was not allowed in a debate. I thought Biden was rude and a bully and if re-elected I shudder to think he'll be just a heartbeat away from being president.

Going into this ~ I wasn't sure how it was going to play out. Ryan did a fantastic job calmly handling Biden ~ who only came across as if he is sick of dealing with everything.

I've wondered what would happen when Ryan was unable to through out people who disagree with him. Last night proved that he has no answers. His finger pointing and blame laying didn't show the answers that the people want to know. What loopholes will you cut? The devil is in the details and Ryan didn't provide them.

That being said… Biden's interrupting didn't make the debate go any smoother and I think he played into the trap that Ryan set - which was to portray Ryan as the calm cool guy and Biden as a bully – but that's what the VP's job is, to be the bulldog.

Mr. Ryan by far demonstrated the most poise and resilience in the face of the showboating, rudeness, and incompetence demonstrated by the currently sitting Vice-President.

I found it difficult to follow all of Ryan's responses due to Biden's clownish performance. If this was meant to show the Dems can be aggressive and make up for Obama's lackluster appearance, it had the opposite effect for me. In the first portion of the debate I told my husband Biden was strong and it went downhill from there as his clownish antics overshadowed the substance. I did find it interesting that Biden claimed the administration didn't know the consulate attack was terrorists and they were never informed additional security was requested or that he supposedly voted against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Ryan was clearly not as prepared in the first portion of the debate but came back well through the remainder. I believe more so now that the R/R ticket will seek bipartisanship-which our country desperately needs.

I have heard many comments on how rude vice-pres. Biden was to congressman Ryan, as far as interruption was concern. However, it was okay for Romney to interrupt Obama , President of USA. There is definitely something wrong with that picture. THUMBS UP TO BIDEN, HE DEFINITELY WON THE DEBATE.

Chuck
Our present Vice President could only grin, laugh and interupt. He interupted at least 80 times and complained about not getting enough time when he wound up with using more time. Biden could not really answer why it took so much time to come to grips with the real reason why 4 people died in Libia and did the same as the President by blaming someone else.

Vice President Biden won, hands down. He demonstrated a stronger set of experiences, better judgment, and a better understanding of the complexities of troop deployment in Afghanistan.

Vice President Biden put to rest the idea that our President somehow "disrespected" Bibi Netanyahu, just as Bibi himself had done, so Ryan's attempt to say differently was, well, not candid.

Biden also demonstrated a clear understanding that this is not a theocracy, while making it clear that R&R intend to work towards a "personhood" agenda, outlawing not only abortions, but in-vitro fertilization as well as most contraceptives

As supporters of Akin and his legitimate rape concepts, Ryan confirms Romney/Ryan would be a disaster for women and men who love them.

And as for Ryan's "religion" - he cannot hide the impact of his worship of Ayn Rand's philosophy of selfishness. That is why the US Conference of Catholic Bishops sent letters to various Congressional committees harshly criticizing Ryan’s budget, saying it disproportionately cut programs that "serve poor and vulnerable people." These programs include SNAP, Medicaid, and other parts of the social safety net - the tools our society uses to take care of those who cannot take care of themselves. The Nuns on the Bus, advocates for economic justice, have denounced Ryan’s budget as "immoral and unjustifiable" because it "will be putting the burden on the poor."

We've been warned: Obama/Biden 2012 to move forward, not backward!

Hands down Biden. He kept Lyin' Ryan from slipping in pseudo-facts all night. No way can we trust the Rs with foreign policy, tax reform, Social Security and Medicare (which they never liked), or our economy. This cinched it.

Romney / Ryan have no plan. Asked in the debate and in several interviews about what the plan is to create millions of new jobs, the answer is always basically the same: we are going to create millions of new jobs. How is that an answer? When pressed by the moderator last night on how they were going to improve the economy, Ryan finally admitted that they had no plan, relying on some concept of bi-partisanship cooperation after elected. I think he forgets his own political history on that count. The biggest joke of the night is that somehow Ryan thinks they will have this instant credibility internationally - when both Romney and Ryan have Zero foreign relations skills. Perhaps Ryan was too busy with px90 to catch what a bafoon Romney was on his oversea tour a few months ago. Biden won the debate because Ryan just isn't honest and it was all too clear last night. I thought the moderator was excellent - very few in the press are bold enough to adk shaon fir an actual answer when a politician attempts to respond to a question with a prepared talking point.

Ryan's head swivels a lot. That's hard to watch.

Ryan was a breath of fresh air and right on all the issues

From Glenn Beck's Facebook:
Last night's debate Divine Providence? The reviews are in. God tweeted his here: "When a wise person debates with a fool, the fool rages and laughs, and there is no peace and quiet." Proverbs 29:9.

Biden won hands down. Body language revealed everything. Even if the debate was on mute, you could understand what was happening between the two men.

Point 1: Dry mouth is a symptom of fear- notice the CONSTANT mouth-wetting by Paul Ryan. You fear when you have something to hide, you fear when you don't want to be exposed. There is no fear when you stand firm for what you believe because you know it's the truth.
Point 2: Paul Ryan's eyes. I encourage everyone to take another look at the debate and watch the look on Paul's face when Joe Biden calls him out on the facts. Apparently Paul has been practicing his "puppy-dog innocent" look. Which, his in particular, I find to be creepy- being that he is a grown man. As a parent, I can spot those eyes a mile away- it's called GUILT. A person will do this when they are trying to "look" innocent.
Point 3: Joe Biden's laughing and looking off, away from Paul Ryan. He is angry and impatient. When someone is lying to you (in this case- the American public) and you know they are lying or spinning the truth- how do you feel? If your spouse was lying to you and you knew they were lying- but you could NOT yell or lose your composure- would you sit still and stiff like Paul Ryan and try to make your eyes look as large as possible as you tilt your head slightly down to make them look even more wide open- OR would you be restless and aggravated like Joe Biden was? Biden KNEW Ryan was lying & hiding, and he was RIGHTFULLY bothered by it.

Ryan. Hands down! Biden's constant mocking and laughing shows us exactly what kind of a leader (and I use that term loosely) he really is. Romney and Ryan are the type of intelligent men that I want running this country; not a couple of "light weights" who have never run anything but their mouths.

Romney did not interrupt Obama. He spoke afterwards to clear up the lies Obama was putting forth.
Ryan had both Biden and the moderator interrupt him at every turn. if he wasn't interupputing he was laughing and smirking to distract everyone.
I can't beleve some of the comments i guess some people just don't listen,they just have their mind set on following these clowns to the distruction of the United States.
That's how a dictatorship gets into power.

Biden was rude and disrespectful to both Ryan and the moderator!I hope when he got home,he was put in a "timeout"!I'm sure he must have been the school bully.All mouth,no engagement of the brain.

In the rational public mind there will be no winner from this event. Biden showed himself a buffoon but quicker witted. Ryan showed more knowledge but obviously not a snappy responder. Overall definitely NOT Biden to ever be President. That would be scary. The moderator was a colossal failure. She quickly lost control of the event. All in all a disappointing 90 minutes.

Biden's performance would have been much better if he had stuck to words, and got rid of the theatrics, which were annoying and disrespectful. And don't compare his tactics with Romney's ... you didn't see the media go on and on about any "rudeness" in that debate. That's a made up issue. Biden was very strong in some areas, condescending in many others (including the use of 'my friend'). Ryan struggled in some areas (especially Syria) and it showed. But he was strong on the economy and his personal faith, two areas that he would be expected to be strong on.

Joe Biden won. It's all in the body laguage. Even if you watched the debate on mute, you could understand what was happening.

Point 1: Dry mouth is a symptom of fear- notice the CONSTANT mouth-wetting by Paul Ryan. You fear when you have something to hide, you fear when you don't want to be exposed. There is no fear when you stand firm for what you believe because you know it's the truth.
Point 2: Paul Ryan's eyes. I encourage everyone to take another look at the debate and watch the look on Paul's face when Joe Biden calls him out on the facts. Apparently Paul has been practicing his "puppy-dog innocent" look. Which, his in particular, I find to be creepy- being that he is a grown man. As a parent, I can spot those eyes a mile away- it's called GUILT. A person will do this when they are trying to "look" innocent.
Point 3: Joe Biden's laughing and looking off, away from Paul Ryan. He is angry and impatient. When someone is lying to you (in this case- the American public) and you know they are lying or spinning the truth- how do you feel? If your spouse was lying to you and you knew they were lying- but you could NOT yell or lose your composure- would you sit still and stiff like Paul Ryan and try to make your eyes look as large as possible as you tilt your head slightly down to make them look even more wide open- OR would you be restless and aggravated like Joe Biden was? Biden KNEW Ryan was lying & hiding, and he was RIGHTFULLY bothered by it.

Frightening thought Biden being President. He's a moron. Ryan kept his cool.

By "mouth-wetting" I mean him sipping water. Again, CONSTANT sipping water.

I vote for Big Bird!
... as he doesn't have the 'experienced' sarcastic arrogance of Joe Biden or the boyish 'I have all the answers' displayed by Paul Ryan

Ryan sure drank alot of water .... or maybe vodka .... last night. What was up with that ???

Biden acted like a complete bully throughout the debate. I guess when you have no record to run on you have to use distraction techniques. But I guess all the Obama/Biden kool aid drinkers see that as a win.

You all know Biden won! Who wants another war? What woman wants someone else to control her personal life about her state of being and issues surrounding abortion? Who want a Romney Big Bird character and little boy "begger for stimulus after he spoke against it" to make decisions for us. Be real folks! Biden and Obama have our best interest. Don't mess with my SS# you ignorant fools. Mitt and Ryan are ignorant fools. 47% is most of the people who are voting for Mittens and Ryan.

You loved it last week when Mittens won the debate. Okay I admit he did based on lies, but he did do better. So why are you having a hard time admitting Biden rode over Ryan? I don't really need your responses. I know the truth. So keep your little brain thoughts to yourself haters. And when your daughter gets pregnant and have to prove how and by who then you'll be the first to cry along with the baby.

Congressman Paul Ryan revealed his lack of experience on foreign policy and looked mediocre. Republicans point to Vice President Joseph Biden's smile, laugh, and teeth veneers as rude, disrespectful, "un-presidential like," etc. Ironically, however, and fundamentally hilarious if it weren't for the effects of this selfishness, rests in the essential reality that most Republican backed policies on the economy, foreign policy, education, and health by all means warrant laughter and sick grins. Therefore, Ryan's claims indeed merited any facetious reactions on part of Biden. It's due time that Democrats started pursuing a more aggressive approach against Republicans; someone needs to call out the socially appropriate form of selfishness that stands as the foundation of the Republican party. Historically, Republicans have largely served as the "dominant" personalities in American politics- outspoken apologists like Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, former presidents George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan, among others, have confirmed this trend. What the Democratic Party needs concerns our own outspoken representative, who carries no fear of "stepping on the toes" of the Republicans. The track record of Republicans affirms that they in no way worry about "stepping on the toes" of Democrats, so why haven't Democrats returned the treatment? The Romney-Ryan due constitutes a fundamental goof, and to think otherwise signals smokescreens of foolishness, selfishness, and danger.

Biden played wack-a-mole with Ryan. Every time Ryan lied Biden hit him with the facts. Ryan couldn't provide specific answers to anything. Biden had command of the issues all night.

The whole thing reminded me of watching a political science nerd trying to talk politics with a drunken jock at a small shot and a beer bar. The "bartender" seemed to think she would get a bigger tip from the jock and was afraid to cut him off.

But, it would be rather entertaining to watch THAT Joe BIden sitting at a debate table with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. I'd pay money to see that.

Without a lot of work I saw Joe Biden misrepresent many things. To name a few:

He said he didn't vote for the wars, when he did.

He said they saved the auto industry and if Romney had his way they would have gone bankrupt. News flash Joe! Bush gave them bailout money and GM and Chrysler did go bankrupt. All the administration did was move the non-secured shareholders in front of the secured and broke contract law.

Libya and the ambassador’s assignation is just another recent example of trying to spin their way out of a mistake and blame someone else. For over 1 week they kept to an untrue story. Now Joe throws the Intelligence Group under the bus and assigns blame to someone else.

This administration believes if they say something enough times it becomes the truth. The informed voter knows differently and just has to look at the statements made and compare them to what they are saying now; we just need to pay attention.

Ryan was having a comfortable fact based conversation with plenty of data to back up his position. Joe tried to spew numbers but kept mixing them up and stumbling, which shows he does not know the details, he is faking it.

On Obama’s and Romney’s webpage you can download their plans. If you put in the time and become an informed voter you will see they both have a detailed plan, just decide which one you agree with.

I am going with the plan that involves hard work and equal sacrifice. More hope and change is not a plan.

To all you Obama supporters, I am NOT better off now than I was four years ago. Wasn't it Biden who said in 2008 people can barely afford to put gas in their car? And that was when gas was less than $2 a gallon. Now it is almost $4 a gallon. How quickly people forget.

Wow, reading some of these comments it is like I watched a completely different debate. Ryan was knowledgeable? When did that happen? Fact check, people. Don't be ignorant. The moderator should have let Ryan speak? You mean all the instances when he got two or three times more time than Biden did to answer/respond? Just wow.

I can't believe that people really think Ryan won. I guess all these people are easily swayed by generalities and buzz words. This doesn't bode well for our future.

Many of the comments refer to Biden's interuptions, some negative some positive. Regardless of the interuptions, look at his general demeanor throughout the debate.
Biden: Name calling, condescending, immature, smug, irritating, nervous laughing, smirking, etc..
Ryan: confident, respectful, intelligent, polite, but yet, still managed to stand up for himself and his beliefs.

By the way, Biden was sooo irritating to watch with that smug nervous smile and laughter, that I caught my wife covering her left eye while she watched the debate!

I guess you didn't watch the same debate I did. Bidens interruptions added up to 82. The moderator 20 some. Then if you add up Biden's un hinged laughter and sneering to detract what Ryan was saying, adds up to awhole lot of crap coming from the both of creeps. who is the ignorant one.

Biden controlled the debate!

Biden was like a "school girl being asked out on her first date, stupid!" This world has so many serious problems, and the great USA is in big trouble, not a good time for silly laughing/smirking/plain and simple in your face stupid actions by someone who is VP. So sad Biden had to flap his jaws or show his ignorance each time Mr. Ryan tried to explain the plans of our FUTURE PRESIDENT! I feel, as many, Biden was afraid that Ryan would speak the truth, something the current administration remotely does not know how to do! GO ROMNEY/RYAN! And some of the comments Biden blurted out need to be fast-checked by folks who are undecided and smart to know many things he voiced we not true.

I feel that Joe Biden won the debate because what he offers is more realistic than the Ryan/Romney plan. The smiles and such are just part of his personality and to be honest, I even smirked and rolled my eyes and some of the lies flying out of Ryans mouth. Ryan spent a lot of time lying and also using "tag phrases" of the Republican party. When he accused the Obama administration of attacking because they don't have a record to stand on, I ask..... what is the reason THEY are attacking then? Romney/Ryan have spent the past year doing nothing but attacking. They haven't outlined a solid workable plan. People ask about the plan and they never give a straight answer.

The U.S. Postal Service is the only company that Congress required to pay into its retirement pension system so that it is solvent to 2075 covering current retirees and future retirees that it has not even hired yet.
The reorganizations of Chrysler and GM and concessions from the UAW were part of the deal to get the necessary federal loans to avoid bankruptcy that some call "bailouts". No banks would float the money needed by the automakers. Our economy, after the collapse on Wall Street and the housing bust, could not afford the trauma of having another one million plus people unemployed. I believe as of today both companies have either repaid all or most of their loans and are posting some of their best sales in the last five years.
Finally, Paul Ryan keeps dodging every request by reporters for an explanation of how he and Governor Romney plan to pay for his huge new tax cut in their budget proposal. They will not name specific exemptdions they would reduce or eliminate.
They have plenty to say about how they would make cuts in Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other assistance afforded to seniors, the disabled, our children, and the neediest poor working families in our nation. Shame on them for accusing the Democrats of conducting class warfare because the Democrats value working families and their contribution to our society and stand up for them with both voices and votes. Gary E. Cynowa

I was an Obama voter in 2008. As an independent I have voted both parties throug the years. After these past 4 years there is no way he has earned my vote. The divide between Candidate Obama and President Obama is startling. As a candidate he promised an era of transparency and accountability, an end to Bush/DOJ radical theories of executive power, reform of the Patriot Act and to ban lobbyists from his administrative posts. Also, he has consistently shown his positions to be even worse than Bush/Cheney in executive overreach. He as appointed over 50 lobbyists to administrative posts, shown excessive cronyism by appointing an many top campaign fundraisers in 2 years as Bush did in 8. He's prosecuted more whistleblowers than all the presidents combined . He broke his promise to end no bid government contracts, to allow 5 days of public comment before signing bills-repeatedly, to broadcast health care negotiations on C-span, and to reduce earmarks to 1994 levels. He promised transparency but tried to block a ruling that White House visitor logs had to be released to the public then met with lobbyists in coffeehouse to bypass the visitor log. Ne's blocked FOIA requests regarding his ties with Monsanto -so now we know why he broke his promise to have genetically modified foods labeled- and he blocked FOIA requests to reveal who was on his Intelligence oversight committee. Don't even get me started on the loss of our civil liberties under Obama. He makes Bush look like Ghandi.

Biden won when you check the facts. I ran a twitter feed during the debate and checked 2 independent fact checking groups on what was said by both, Very often both were wrong or mistaken, more often Ryan was simply wrong on fact that affect taxes, small business, health care and social security. At the end of the debate, the lack of specificity from Ryan on economics was too much.

Kathy, So the future of the Supreme Court does not concern you? If you think you have lost your civil liberties under President Obama, just wait for a Bush repeat. With Willard
in charge, you will have many more Scalia's & Thomas's on the bench. Make you feel tingly all over?

Are we focused on the important issues? It appears to me that the important issues are rarely being considered! Abortion and same sex marriage do not put food on the table or help make car payments. Where we are and where we need to be is what we should be asking ourselves. We should be asking why the economy hasn’t improved in the last four years. Why hasn't Obama implemented a jobs program not in the election year but back in 2009 or even 2010? Why hasn't Obama found a way to support small business which employs 75% of the total US workforce? Why does Obama continue to bleed the US by paying for Mexico's poverty problem? Why doesn't he force Mexico to address their own poverty problems; and why should they when the current administration is more than willing to spend the money that could be spent to take care of you on them! What does Obama care do for you? Have you read the specifics detailed in the Obama care plan? I have and democrats and republicans alike need to be greatly concerned, it will absolutely increase the amount needed per person for anyone making less than $75,000 per year at least $2500 per year. It makes me wonder why it was even initiated. With the exception of the media and holly wood personnel (they make their money based on arguments and dissention) are you better off today than you were four years ago? Why don't we focus on the real issues and not get caught up in voting for abortion, same sex marriage, and other controversial issues.

Kathy,great thoughts ,nice to hear from someone that is paying attention! Many people out let others think for them, the worst sin of all in these trying times

If the auto companies had failed we would'nt be having this conversation. We would still be in a never seen before emergency situation. The devastation to Michigan and Ohio alone, would not be measurable. We forget quickly; especially if you live in Oakland county, where new cars are on the road again and people are moving on.
Stay confused. That way it won't hurt so bad if you vote to elect Governor Romney and Paul Ryan and they cut your tax deductions,privitize social security, and fail to come up with all those jobs they promised.
Better start saving your money, and if you don't have any to save, learn how to forage and grow vegetables, and if you are religious maybe you will finally learn the real message of Jesus Christ.

Scott, a woman's right to manager her own healthcare choices, as well as same sex marriage do have financial impacts. Just because they do not impact you doesn't invalidate the issues.

Scott, you wrote "Where we are and where we need to be is what we should be asking ourselves. " You left off "how did we get here in the first place?". Failing to consider that last question could lead you to repeat the same fundamental mistake: the trickle down model of economic development has been tried and proven a failure. It was such a failure that it created a huge hole in the economy. We are emerging from that pit.

"We should be asking why the economy hasn’t improved in the last four years. " What?!? We were losing over 700,000 jobs per month as President Obama came into office. All economic measurements have shown improvement.

Now, for people still looking for some discussions of the differences between the candidates, as well as what a fair discussion of the last 4 years would reveal, here are some resources to review.

For facts instead of fantasies: http://goo.gl/JaXkz

For how President Obama has helped small businesses: http://goo.gl/dUAeW

For reasons why voting for President Obama keeps us moving forward instead of falling backwards: http://goo.gl/d5A4N

Read them, and then vote for a person with all his money invested in THIS country, who did NOT let "Detroit go bankrupt", and says he values all Americans, either when in public or not.

Obama/Biden 2012

Keep Laughing Joe even over the attack on our embassey and your staff.
DOESN'T THIS SAY ENOUGH !!!!!

Kathy, I follow politics very closely & I am aware of everything in your e-mail. I admit that
President Obama is not exactly my cup of tea, but Willard would be a cup of poison.
And assuming you are a woman, how can you even consider voting for a Republican, any
Republican.

Seems to me that the moderator of this blog should keep the paid, cut & paste bloggers off- that's our FH Voice. Your voice of reason- if your favorite intellectuals are Rachel Maddow, Michael Moore, George Soros and Al Sharpton.

Stacy, I'm alot less concerned about Romney tax returns than I am about over 5 trillion in additional debt from Obama, $4.00/gal gas, 8% unemployment, more people on food stamps than ever before, 240% increase in US deaths in Afghanistan, Obamacare, death panels, Obama disrespecting Netanyahu, while telling Russia he could be more flexible on nuclear weapons after the election, that is treasonous. I wouldn't make fun of Ryan hair. At least he doesn't look like "plugs" Biden. So because of these and other real issues the polls are turning toward Romney & Ryan. The Reagan Democrats and Independents are "coming home to roost" (a favorite saying of Obama's Rev Jeremiah Wright) For those who want their country back it's Romney and Ryan. For the Socialists you have Hugo Obama and Fidel Biden. R&R 2012

I thought Biden Smoked Ryan! And what was Ryan thinking bringing up some car accident victims he knew knowing the VP lost his wife and child to one? Biden did what a VP is supposed to do....During reelection campaigns, he's the President's attack dog. He did his job. He ate up Ryan and spit him out!

Republicans continuing to harp on Libya and using the lives of those fine men for political gain makes me want to throw up.

Let's not forget we were also warned about 9-11 and there had been a terrorist attack previously. Airport security had not even been elevated.

Also to remind you of another thing, it was ONE YEAR to investigate "weapons of mass destruction". The investigation is not even finished yet regarding Libya. The FBI just got there last week.

There were 7 embassies attacked during the Bush years. Terrorists are terrorists. They have been around forever. But if Stevens and the others were in danger, they should have been moved out to there. It was not an embassy but simply a small consulant.

Romney seems to think he should have privy to national matters still under investigation. The lives of those fine men is tragic, not a great talking point for him. To try to gather votes over the spilled blood of others makes me sick.

Sandra, Why do I call the Republican Willard? Because Mitt is a frat boy name & I believe
Willard IS his name. Your party is STILL making fun of the President's name after all these years. And I know you wish Willard the presidency, but he's not there yet. Maybe he, too, will be appointed President just like Bush, Jr. & the country's economy will be back to 2001-2008 & you & your ilk will be as happy as clams ... a real calamity for the middle-class and the Dems.

Michelle, I can remember years ago when it was tough for me, as a single woman, to get a
mortgage on the house I had just bought. After that unfair banking situation, I understood the playing field was not level. THAT is why I am on the side of womens' rights 100% of the time. Maybe you are just too young & take all the strides we have made for granted. Or maybe you are really one of those male devotees of Rush Limbaugh.

Maybe there attacks on Embassies during Bush' time in office but no ambassador was killed and we have more attack on our embassies since Oboma has been President and he has only been in office for only four years, and Bush was in office for eight years. This administration denied upgrading security even though it was requested several times. If this president wasn't affraid to call terrorist atacks just that. He wants to play that his policies have improved our relationships in countries that support terrorism.

You know what? I am so sick of the Foxites whining about the death in Lybia. people who go overseas as ambassadors or government officials KNOW the risk, just like our men and women in uniform know the risk. Why is the life if this one Ambassador worth more than thousands of faceless men and women who are being killed overseas because of a war that Bush started? I DO feel bad for the family of ANYONE who has died in service to our country but collateral damage happens when our country is trying to police the nations. Ryan/Romney want to ramp up the war, while Obama would like to find a peaceful solution. Will we still lose people to this horrific battle, YES! But that does not mean we should run around killing Thousands of innocents over there and putting more of our men and women in harms way. (This just creates more reason for people in these countries to hate us and join the opposition) These countries need to start policing themselves and we need to start putting more of our money back into OUR country and not into the wars.

Has anyone watched the movie Obama 2016?

57% of this patch poll says Ryan won.

Our Embassy in Tripoli was not attacked! It was our compound in Bengassi There is a difference! It just happened that our ambassador was there.

Mitt Romney politicizing that whole ordeal is shameful and you people should be aware and ashamed if you believe the attack was avoidable!

Just keep making excuses for the most incompetent, lying, corrupt, government in the history of the United States and you will do your self real proud when we are all on bread lines. How you can know all the harm this President has done to this Country and keep supporting him makes me very sad. Your freedom mean so little to you. If you maybe don't know what this President is really about, It's high time you got informed. The truth is out there... seek it .

I believe everyone that thinks Obama is so great needs to view the Documentary 2016: Obama's America based on Obama's own book he wrote. It is hard for me to believe the people that voted for "Change" and not on anything specific in 2008. How blinded people were in 2008 and NOW I hope and pray that Mitt Romney will be the USA new President for 2013!

Here is an interesting panel summation from a late night radio talk show last week. Please keep in mind that while the interviewees cannot be verified by me, the host was not one of the frequent 'mouths that roar' so prevalent out there and the 'panel' members were, purportedly, qualified and experienced medical personnel. They discussed Biden's major heart attack a number of years ago and subsequent permanent lingering effects on him. In brief, they stated, the lack of oxygen to his brain at the time left him with a 'not-uncommin is such situations' permanent lack of empathy for others characterized by his constanat (now famous) smiling, his frequent interruptions of others, his verbosity, and seemingly inappropriate facial expressions. In short - we currently have a Vice-President - literally one heartbeat away from becoming the President of the United States - who has discernable, functional brain damage.

Michelle, I guess I was a pioneer of sorts because in 1970, I applied for a mortgage with an
S & L, (remember how the Repubs destroyed those as well) & was told that as a single woman they could not loan me the bucks. Their position - what if I got pregnant & could not make the monthly payments. My position - what if a single man fell & broke his leg & could not make HIS monthly payments. Sixteen years ago was 1996 & I presume you were married at the time. My situation was completely different than yours & it was unfair.
That's why women's rights mean EVERYTHING to me. Why your party is determined to set back many of our gains is insanity to me ... and alot of other women agree with me, more so than with you, Kiddo.

Scott ... This President Obama movie you speak of - is it a cartoon or a regular movie with
people in it? Was it made by a Michael Moore-type or an Ann Coulter-type? Frankly, I doubt it's a big hit because I have never heard of it.

Stacy, Along with ALL his other achievements in life, Willard is also a magician. The man
claims he will create 12 million jobs as soon as he is elected. Really? Where are they all
coming from .... his butt? And, just for giggles, did you know Willard has a son named Ben?
Alot of the writers here are mentioning an Obama movie. How about that old movie about ....
rats ?!?! Perfect, just perfect.

When you interview some one for a job. If they don't look you straight in the eye then they are lying or trying to embellish there position. BIDEN constantly looked away when he spoke he never looked in RYAN's eyes at all. RYAN on the other hand looked him straight in the eye and in the closing looked straight in the camera. BIDEN looked away and was wrenching his hands. So much for the dry mouth syndrome. Let's talk job's look at what OBAMA has done nothing. G.M. are you really that pumped up on that. 78% of the sales are to the government. They still have problem with batteries. Than he invested money in the old Lincoln plant and they went belly up to the tune 500.000.000 dollars. OBAMA the statement they never started those business tell that to HENRY FORD.

Love it, republicans think Biden was rude and a bully but Romney telling a constituent to "Take a Hike" when he asked Romney a question was Romney being a nice guy. Imagine if President Obama told someone that.

In high school Romney cuts a kids hair off while his buddies hold him down and Romney is considered a nice guy?

Today Obama told an audience that we were paid back all the money from tarp. At the same time the CBO came out and said we really lost $24 billion. Obama caught in another lie. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-we-got-back-every-dime-bailout-cbo-bailout-will-lose-24-billion

Johnny Q,
Mr. Gibson is doing what he accuses FHVoice of doing..He says FHVoice is a hired hack for the Democratic party when he dares to refute the lies of Romney. Now Mr. Gibson is twisting and clearly NOT comprehending the issues. Yes, the President was talking abut financial institutions...
We have been paid back the bail out money..even Romney admitted that fact. He didn't care about the motor city, and now the Big Three is kicking all competitors butts. Mr. Romney, you are a business man, don't you get this? OH WAIT>>Detroit has many Big Three workers in that 47%. Never mind, I just answered the question for you Mr. Romney.

A123 Systems Inc. (AONE), the electric car battery maker that received a $249 million federal grant, filed for bankruptcy protection after failing to make a debt payment that was due yesterday.
President Barack Obama called A123 Chief Executive Officer David Vieau and then-Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm during a September 2010 event celebrating the opening of the plant in Livonia, Michigan, that the company received the U.S. grant to help build.

Mr. Gibson,
It is the job of the Secretary of State. BTW..ALL embassy's are guarded by locals..you can confirm that easily. (It was the same way under Bush and Regan) The fact that Hillary is a woman is insignificant to me, any Secretary of State should take the responsibility.
What is reprehensible is USING THIS TRAGEDY for political gain. The ambassadors own father has asked that this not be done in his sons memory. It is awful regardless of your party beliefs.
Now I must leave for work, I do not get paid during work hours to post on the Patch, that would not be right.