This bigot is a disgrace to humanity and specially to Christianity. May God guide him and make him a better Christian. Amen

Oh fellow Patch readers, let's remember where we live: IN AMERICA WHERE THE FIRST AMENDMENT, THE BILL OF RIGHTS, THE CONSTITUTION GUARANTEE FREE SPEECH!!! WANT TO BURN A KORAN? A BIBLE? A FLAG? NAZIS MARCH IN SKOKIE DOWN RESIDENTIAL STREETS OF NAZI SURVIVORS' HOMES? BE MY GUEST!!!!

WELCOME TO AMERICA!!! WANT TO INSULT SOMEONE? BY ALL MEANS - HAVE A GREAT DAY!!!! THAT'S THE CONSTITUTION - protects from those who would try to repress thought and speech -

Don't like Free Speech? leave! Dearborn will pay beau coupe dollars for this one!! WRONG ANTI AMERICAN MOVE ON BEHALF OF THE MUNICIPAL OFFICIALS!!! PATENTLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!! THE CASE IS A PLAINTIFF'S ATTORNEY'S DREAM!!! 1/3 + HOURLY.

Municipal officials need some continuing education courses and requirements - we know the cops have this stuff on give back days - need more intensive training on American Constitutional Law and Rights of Americans!!! ya' can't make this stuff up!!

"The men who had hated [the book], and had not particularly loved Helvetius, flocked round him now. Voltaire forgave him all injuries, itentional or unintentional. 'What a fuss about an omelette!' he had exclaimed when he heard of the burning. How abominably unjust to persecute a man for such an airy trifle as that! 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your rigt to say it' was his attitude now." - S.G. Tallentyre referring to Voltaire.

Have you people gone mad? In America we PROTECT THE VICTIM AND ARREST THE PERPS!!!! However distateful Terry Jones' acts may be, HE IS ENTITLED TO THE PROTECTION OF OUR LAWS AND THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH - INCLUDING THE RIGHT TO PICKET IN FRONT OF A PLACE OF 'WORSHIP' or BURN A KORAN!!! - If the Supreme Court granted the Westboro Church the right to picket at funerals (8-1), TERRY JONES HAS THE RIGHT TO PICKET THE MOSQUE!!

dhimmi fools.....

Some Constitutional Law (taken from Wikipedia):

Supreme Court of the United States
Decided June 14, 1977
Full case name National Socialist Party of America et al. v. Village of Skokie
Docket nos. 76-1786
Citations 432 U.S. 43 (more)
97 S. Ct. 2205; 53 L. Ed. 2d 96; 1977 U.S. LEXIS 113; 2 Media L. Rep. 1993

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"On behalf of the NSPA, the ACLU challenged the injunction issued by the Circuit Court of Cook County prohibiting marchers at the proposed Skokie rally from wearing Nazi uniforms or displaying swastikas. The ACLU was represented by civil rights attorney Burton Joseph.[1][2]. The challengers argued that the injunction violated the First Amendment rights of the marchers to express themselves freely. Both the Illinois Appellate Court and the Illinois Supreme Court refused to stay the injunction. The case was then sent to the Supreme Court. On June 14, 1977, the Supreme Court ordered Illinois to hold a hearing on their ruling against the National Socialist Party of America, emphasizing that "[i]f a State seeks to impose a restraint [on First Amendment rights], it must provide strict procedural safeguards, including immediate appellate review...Absent such review, the State must instead allow a stay. The order of the Illinois Supreme Court constituted a denial of that right."

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The order of the Illinois Supreme Court constituted a denial of that right." On remand, the Illinois Appellate Court eliminated the injunction against everything but the swastika, and the Illinois Supreme Court heard the case yet again, this time focusing on the First Amendment implications of the swastika. Skokie attorneys argued that for Jews, seeing the swastika was just like being physically attacked.

The Illinois Supreme Court allowed the National Socialist Party of America to march when it ruled that the use of the swastika is a symbolic form of free speech entitled to First Amendment protections and determined that the swastika itself did not constitute "fighting words."[3]

Are you people getting this? In America, one can march on public property to protest and picket - THE STREETS BELONG TO THE PEOPLE - remember that one? Go read the Bill of Rights, the FederalistPapers and quotations of the Founding Fathers. The go read the Supreme Court cases on Free Speech.

Dearborn is going to pay $$$$$$$$$ - 42 USC 1983, 1st Amend, 14th Amend, individual and supervisory liability - the officials better start to "lawyer up" on this one - blatant!!! gotta love it!!

I welcome him back. the road that he wanted to march on is a private road owned by the church's and for the church's. The road is a one way in and a one way out, no other exits. Paster Jones would have to walk on the highway with traffic flowing at 50 miles an hour and that would people in harms way and with Michigan being a no fault state everyone would be in harms way including the pastor. He should protest like all muslims and that would be in an area that the City of Dearborn allows. There have been many protest and none by the churches and / or mosque.

Private property is private property and if Jones attempted to march on that, there are trespassing laws and harassment laws to deal with that. That is also the law. Someone check the street maps for the ownership. If the road is public, but tiny, he's got a right.

Thank you Jessica - I owe Twitter for finding your piece!!! This is a most important issue and Americans need education - since we have dumbed down and not truly taught "Citizenship and Social Studies" in the elementary and high schools. I teach some college law classes and I am astounded at the ignorance of our students and lack of protection and understanding of our Constitution, laws and system of jurisprudence. Americana are way too complacent and take these liberties for granted (I liken many to "Eloi").

We got a job to do!!

KEEP UP THE REPORTING!!! PATCH IS A GREAT UNCENSORED FORUM AND WE CAN ALL BE CIVILIZED IN OUR DISCUSSIONS! I'll refrain from the dhimmi and other emotional cracks. Sorry.

Ismail, the whole purpose behind the right to protest is that it IS a venue event and is not to be unduly restricted by the state to exercise that right. The opnes promising violence should be the ones posting bond and arrested. If violence is perpetrated, those commiting the acts of violence are the ones to be punished, not the speaker or writer - THEY are the ones to be surrounded by a police vanguard if necessary to protect their right to protest. THAT right is what Americans shed blood to preserve.

Here's another thought - just ignore him. So what? he burns a koran - so what? go feed the hungry, adopt orphan children, build a garden, give of your time to make the earth a better place to live! Do I really care what book you burn? no. DO I really care what you wear in dress? no. or how long your hair is? no. do what you want - it's America, just do not physically cause tortious harm anyone. Hurt feelings do not rise to an actionable level of crime or tort. we say: get a life!

I care that Fukushima radiation is now in our drinking water and milk and settling on our farm produce coming in from California. THAT is what the "protesters" should be galvanized about - got children? I do - THAT I am p.o.'ed about - plutonium and cesium and strontium in my food and air.

Burning books? Nazi in scope, stupid as well - could have pelletized the paper and turned it to fuel for pellet stoves. BTW, ground up Bibles become Holy Fuel. Let's get our priorities straight, shall we?

PPS: ANYBODY BUT OBAMA IN 2012 - ANYBODY!!!! keep Samantha Power from bombing the world.

Dan you have a great point and you are very much correct. The way Jones was handled was Unconstitutional and he does have a case in his hand. Having to take him to court on an action he has yet to commit was wrongful and like you said in his favor and now he will keep coming back. Yet I do have to remind you "freedom of speech" is not absolute. I cant come to you screaming " I want to you kill you" and then say its my constitution right. So i hope not every thinks that they can do what they please because the law states it true. What ever happened to human moral and human conduct. Honestly I really hate the fact that this guy is getting much attention and like you said there are more dyer problems facing us, as american citizens than this fool.

Can't this demon see his is completely unwanted? May God save every good, deserving human from his demeanor and violent intentions.

Hey Ahmed, thanks. I know the moral thing and I know the insult thing - one tries to raise the bar by not resorting to that, BUT, it is Constitutionaly protected speech, and depending upon the circumstances, so would the shouting of "I want to kill you" - most likely however that would be an assault if coupled with affirmative action. The speech alone - "I want to kill you" without more? I believe it is protected. This is the beauty of free speech - no thought crimes as expressed through the tongue - the market place of ideas will decide what is significant or not, what rings true or not, but the "Hyde Park Soapbox" or the "corner Soapbox ranter" - flavor of the day!! Have to hit the P.L.I. books on Civil Rights and 42 USC 1983 cases - get some goodies of stare decisis/case law - not like we haven't been here before. We are sliding towards criminalization of speech, something antithetical to our way of life and our Constitution - we can not let that happen.

And Autumn? It is the LAW that will save every good deserving human from anyone's violence. Demeanor? his issue, not yours or mine. leave the gods out of this.

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Ismail...
my friend, my brother, my neighbors... I am a man who is not of the Muslim faith but I and many others stand and have stood next/with you and brothers and sisters of your faith on that very same holy ground when westboro baptist (WBC) church came and attacked the people of Michigan with what they had to say. I did not and still do not agree with their message as it may have been, but the fact of the matter is that they said what they had to say and left!!! You my friend should be mad, but not at Mr. Jones so much as you should be at your local govt. Not only did they stop him from saying what he had to say to you and I, but they stopped you and I from saying what we had to say to him!!! (They stepped on all of our rights that day believe it or not!!!) Aswell as now this man is comming back to still say what he has to say in the unlawful and unconstitutional "FREE SPEACH ZONES" Think about that for a sec. They are telling you and I when and where you or I can have the GOD GIVING RIGHT to speak freely.... Did they forget that WE THE PEOPLE elected them and put them into that place only to speak for us, and they want to tell you or I where we may freely speak... think about it people.... Yes he was stopped from speaking his hate and poss. from burning your holy book but wouldn't you have liked the chance to say and do it for yourself? I know I would. Instead of local "BIG GOVT." over stepping their place and speaking for you and I!

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I came out on Friday to stand with you and the people of Michigan, and the people of your faith on the very same holy ground as we did when wbc was here, and I do believe that his rights were stepped on!!! I also do believe that he is ignorant in what he says but he dose have the right to say it!!! Just as the idiots of wbc do and did. Understand this. I believe that an attack on my neighbor is an attack on me!!! although we are not of the same faith, Mr. Jones is attacking your faith and I for one will stand next/with you and whomever else this man may have something to say about.. As we are fellow statesmen of the same state. As is Dan!!! (I do believe) So I ask you my friend to come and join me and the rest PEACEFULLY on Fri. @ 5pm to hear what Mr. Jones has to say and tell him what you may want to say as well, and tell you local govt. officials to let us all speak our peace as right or wrong as it may be!!! IT IS ALL OF OUR RIGHTS!!!
Thankyou all for speaking out and speaking your minds!!!

PS, Sorry about the spelling errors lol!!!!

I am happy to see that most everyone agrees that even idiots have the right to the exercise of free speech!! And I am a New Yorker - plaintiff's trial attorney - "one of those..." , but a Constitutionalist - it applies nationwide, anywhere and everywhere there is an attack on it - in ever and any State of the Union. We all swim or sink together.

YES! even idiots have the right to open mouth and insert foot!!! Right on Dan !!! we deff. need more attorneys like yourself... I am "one of those..." michigan miltila men ...(new school not the crazy old school type) I am a Constitutionalist through and through!!! I love this country, my fellow statesmen, and my neighbors regardless of age, race, creed, color, religion, or sexual orentaition !!! I would like to pick your brain on a few things and see what you think sometime!! :0)~

REMEMBER EVEYONE """ WE THE PEOPLE""" ARE WHAT MAKES THIS COUNTRY WHAT IT IS!!!

This more about the politicians pandering for votes then anything else.

I live in Dearborn. I am white and think this man is a waste of life. That being said he had the right to demonstrate here. I hate the thought of him being here but he has the right. The supreme court ruled that those sick jerks can protest solders funerals and preach their hate and I am sorry but I am far more deeply offended by that then some wack job looking for headlines by burning a book. Sorry everyone but that's what it is, a bible, Koran, Miqra, take your pick they are all books written on paper by a publisher looking to get paid. Belief, values, morals which fall under the heading of religion are supposed to be inside a persons heart. People that want to kill other people for burning a book or religion are missing the point and are sick in the head

I do believe there is hope for us yet!! B. - you are spot on, there is no label to any of us. Those that want, consider yourselves Winter Soldiers - act like one - and join the protection of America. USE 237 years of jurisprudential maturity - protect it - be proactive - talk it up - spread it around. I am a White Plains, NY Patcher. Feel free to contact - Freedom knows no boundaries.

mantra of the generation: I am John Doe.

B.Namore,

Thank you for being a friend and a true neighbor. I would be the first to stand up with you in your time of need to defend your constitutional right. Your heart is truly in the right place. Take care my friend!

Dan,

Thank you for your relentless efforts in educating us all. your truly appreciated and we would love for you to join us. I'm just an ordinary citizen that has been in these united states for almost 40 years and frankly have been teaching our constitutional rights (best that i can) to all faiths for as long as I can remember. I'm not always right; however, I get my point across and in the end I almost always gain a friend. There's been times where on this website I get called a muzzie and told that we are animals and all deserve to die. I've been contributing to the well being of all faiths since I was a child. There weren't too many arabs in this area when I came to this country and we got along just fine.

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I mean we got along with all faiths just fine. I've done polka dancing, my best friends are german, mexican and african american. I've enjoyed their traditions just as much as they have enjoyed mine to this day. Say what you will and do what you will and in the end justify your own actions and when you truly believe that you are doing the right thing then protest to best of your ability and rally the support; however, Mr. Jones owns a church and I believe his agenda is to gain monetary value by recruiting his own version of extremest by trying to condem a religion in a country that defends it just as much as it defends his constitution. I say remember that Jesus, moses, Joshua, mohammed, Abraham, and the rst of the prophets names that are in the old and new testament are also in the koran and by burning the book he burns their names as well and he calls himself a christian instead of an atheist who would have more reason to burn the books.

Thank you Ismail (good start to "Moby Dick") for being a patriot. We all bleed red - that is the way I was raised and that is how I raised my kids - we also understand human nature - the light and the dark. The point is to choose life and resist the insane. Jones is choosing money and fame - his right, stupid method. I'd rather be saving open space and getting a park bence inscribed with my name or educating the youth to be wise leaders or pushing biomass fuel use for a sustainable local energy production network and jobs. It's pointless to burn books (you may be burning a first edition os something and wouldn't that be a kick in the teeth!) - you can't burn ideas - if he were smarter he'd debate the ideas and let the populace decide - that what he has a pulpit for.

BTW, I am an atheist and I would never burn a book (unless we have no heat and we need energy - even then the thought of burning a first edition - sends shudders up the spine!).

Keep fighting the good fight - and stay out of the rain - it's radioactive out there!!! for real - check the conspiracy sites!!

Here's some food for thought
" THE GREATEST SINGLE CAUSE OF ATHEISUM IN WORLD TODAY IS CHRISTIANS!!!"

THEY AKNOLAGE JESUS WITH THEIR LIPS AND WALK OUT THE DOOR AND DENY HIM BY THERI LIFESTYLE!!!!

HOWS THAT FOR A GUT CHECK AMERICA???
ITS SAD BUT OH SO TRUE.. MR. JONES IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THIS ALONG WITH THE FOOLS FROM WBC!!! :0)~

Ismail please tell me the law he broke. It looks like to me he did not even get a chance to break a law just the fact he was going to insult the religion of peace was enough to get him put in jail, this just proves to me we need to stop immigration of muslims to this country. This country is founded on Judeo Christian principles not Muslim sharia law. If we dont stop immigration the rest of the USA will become like Dearborn.

For those from countries where individuals have no rights I doubt they can understand the concept of the 1st amendment it also goes contrary to the muslim relgion. So to enlighten them lets apply the same law applied to Pastor Jones they are a threat to the greater American community they must all post 1 USD bond and refrain from leaving the Dearborn area for 3 years lest they insult the non muslims and generaly instigate danger just buy there words and the fact they believe in contrary to christians. Forget they never actualy exercised there rights to free speech just the fact they might do this is enough and if they refuse to post the 1USD then they go to jail.

It never ceases to amaze me when muslim immigrants come to America they say they are fleeing the oppressive regime of there homeland , then they come to there adoptive country America , England , France etc etc. Instead of being grateful they start trying to change the country that gave them sanctuary to become like the very country that they were fleeing. The sheer arrogance of this ungratefulness makes a rational persons blood boil. No one asked you to come to America you or your ancestors asked for this PRIVILEDGE and now you have some numbers so the veil is lifted and you show you true character. If you think Dearborn is representative of most of the USA you are sadley mistaken. Most americans are Christians 83% and by the way I have native american blood so dont presume to know me. I might also add my wife is a Buddhist.

I guess my point escaped you I will spell it out again , a majority of non muslims perceive your religion to be be very hostile to other religions and other belief systems and if you look at the past 10 years your actions speak louder than words. Do i think all muslims are like this of course not but I do think people in your relgion should police the muslims thinking we live in the dark ages. In the final analysis if the good muslims dont stop the fanatics the rest of the world will.

Lastly becareful what you wish for the same unconstitutional law used against Pastor Jones could be used against you. By protecting him you protect yourself.

i believe you missed my line when i said that I believed in his constitutional rights. I stood up for him on forums as well when protecting this. My issue with you is your approach and feeling of muslim people. Many muslims were given sanctuary from allies of this government and arrangements were made for these muslims to live while the United States blew up their country for their own political reason. I know that the Kuwaiti government pays Iraqi's living here for fleeing their country and waring. When the war stops and the United States and their allies rebuilds their country they should send them back home. It's amazing how you are disgusted with muslims yet country after country filled with muslims America leads the way to destroy what they've known fill them with promises and safe havens. These muslims do not know of this constitution yet you want them to abide by it.

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The muslims that you are calling radical such as myself and you don't know anything about me I have a problem with. I'm more american than you are without having native blood. their was nothing unconstitutional about Mr. Jones and nor did anyone do anything wrong. Your statement of monetary value as a result of the city's action is just an assertion and nothing has been proven. Yes, I know that 80% of americans are Christian and I can assure you that 80% of the Christians don't agree with Mr. Jones. Please stop your hatred toward people you don't know and keep your focus on the constitution and insuring that no ones rights are violated including mine. It's amazing how you have nothing but bad things to say about most muslims. There are bad apples in all religions and most crimes here in the united states are committed by non muslims. Good day my friend!