No more Twinkies? Ho Hos? Wonder Bread?
Hostess Brands, Inc. announced Friday that it's closing all of its operations due to combining factors of declining profitability, bankruptcy, and—the icing on the cupcake—a strike by one of its largest union worker contingencies.
According to a release from the company, the end of Hostess will mean the loss of 18,500 jobs and the shuttering of 33 bakeries, 565 distribution centers, about 5,500 delivery routes and 570 bakery outlet stores throughout the United States.
It's not clear yet whether the closure will mean the end to all of Hostess' sweet treats. CEO Gregory Rayburn said the company hopes to sell off most of its bigger brands, according to the Wall Street Journal.
“I’m certainly hopeful we can sell the brands and that the brands can live on,” Rayburn said. “They are iconic.”
In addition to dozens of baking and distribution facilities around the country, Hostess Brands will sell its more popular brands, including Hostess, Drakes and Dolly Madison, which makes iconic cake products such as Twinkies, CupCakes, Ding Dongs, Ho Ho’s, Sno Balls and Donettes. Bread brands to be sold include Wonder, Nature’s Pride, Merita, Home Pride, Butternut, and Beefsteak, among others.
Are you planning to go stock up on Hostess products?
Jessica Carreras
1:04 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
Is anyone heading to an outlet store or their nearest Kroger to stock up?
Thomas Gagne
10:49 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
Tif already hit a Hostess outlet, but I don't think she bought enough of anything.
Laura Vogel
2:41 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
To be honest, I can't recall the last time I ate a Twinkie. I do recall the last Ho Ho's I had: a friend brought a box of HoHo's as dessert to a party two years ago. The things sat unopened for the whole party, and then moved to the pantry where they sat for another couple of months.
I used to eat those things like they were going out of style back in the days of banana-seat bicycles with tassle-fringe on the handlebars! Riding no hands: eating a Twinkie!
John Clare
7:24 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
If they're so popular and all that, how does a company that is sold everywhere go bankrupt and cannot go on!? I wish I had the money to take it over and make Hostess and products stick around!
Thomas Gagne
10:50 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
The article in Wall Street Journal reports on some of the causes. You should try guessing what they are before reading the article.
Roy Sobocinski
7:59 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
You could stock up and have a black market twinkie business, you could be a dind-dong twinkie dealer. Imagine the price gouge you could put on some Suzy Q's? Big Rollers dealin the Twink man, psssst hey I got some pink Sno-Balls man, ya need some?
Haulin T Male
9:14 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
As Of 2300 last night, a Twinkie was going for 60.00 for one and 900.00 for a box of 10 on Ebay. there is a feeling that a twinkie will last forever, not true, thjey have a shelf life of about 1 month.
MaryLiz Schoenfeld
10:09 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
I noticed that the poll doesn't allow "none" as a choice. I actually don't care if I ever see another Twinkie or loaf of Wonder Bread. It's been decades since I've eaten that kind of junk. I wouldn't miss Hostess. But I do feel for the employees who are out of their jobs right before Christmas. What a mess. Some other company will buy the brand, but it will take a long time to sort itself out.
Jessica Carreras
2:38 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012
Good point, MaryLiz. I'm can't remember the last time I ate a Hostess product, but the thought of 18,500 people losing their jobs is very disheartening.
Still, if I had to pick one, it'd be Ho Hos.
Lee Jacobsen
12:20 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012
All is not doom and gloom. Chrysler has hired 1200 employees in the Detroit area, so perhaps the delivery jobs, the local bakeries, etc lost will balance out for MI. 18,500 is a lot of jobs to say goodbye , just before Christmas. The baker's union decided it did not want to play ball, so all the workers lost out as a result.
In the end, according to the WSJ, a bankruptcy judge gave Hostess permission to force the bakers union to accept a new five-year labor contract that featured an 8% wage cut in the first year, new pension plan restrictions and a 17% increase in health care costs for employees These are not police or firemen. These are bakers, being asked to share expenses, and note that most of the private sector already pays 17% of their healthcare, if not more. In fact, our Dearborn teachers even agreed to pay their fair share in the last contract, so why are the bakers being so stubborn? It is a free will decision, the bakers have the freedom of will to strike, the owners have the right to close and sell off the brands.
Look at it another way, do we really need , as Americans, to fatten up on Hostess foods?
Fortunately, Obamacare is right around the corner, and will cover all those workers with free healthcare. Well, not exactly free, the 50% who still pay taxes in this country will pay for it. The shelf space will be filled by other brands. Another icon bites the dust under Obama's watch. No , wait! It is Bush's fault!!!!
Tracy Freeman
2:10 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012
I have always wanted to try a fried Twinkie. May never have the chance now.
Jessica Carreras
2:40 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012
Try this recipe, Tracy! http://shine.yahoo.com/shine-food/diy-twinkies-them-home-hostess-shuts-down-191300297.html
Has anyone ever made their own Twinkies?
LopeintheD
2:25 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012
So glad they are going under...With the obesity epidemic we have in this country...1 less contributor...However, I do hope to see another company takeover and provide employment for these people...
Lee Jacobsen
2:38 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012
Perhaps the govt should get involved, like Solyndra, give a bailout, and work out a deal with the baker's union to help run the company, provide healthcare, and pass new legislation making in mandatory that every child should experience a 'Twinkie' as part of the school lunch program. That would take care of all the expenses, and provide an outlet where the govt could subsidize each twinkie for what , a mere $4 to cover all the costs. Our troops could have twinkies packed next to the spam in their K rations, a dessert that will last forever....just in case someone actually thinks that this is logical, It only works with GM, not bakeries....
FHVoice
2:03 am on Sunday, November 18, 2012
Lee, still whining? No chance of you ever looking into the facts when a good slime opportunity seems to raise its head, eh? Have you signed on to one of those secession petitions yet? Barb Bush ha some advice for you.
Jon Dufresne
2:25 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Here we go again, another blanket union-bashing post from another miserable conservative trapped downriver. Lee, you are all over the place, going from twinkies to obamacare to solyndra...very hard to take you seriously when your comments are so clearly partisan and struggle to loosely tie together all of these right-wing talking points.
Jon Dufresne
2:26 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
This is about Hostess company and is another sad story of a confluence of economic conditions, bad internal decisions, and greedy management. Sound familiar? It should. Here is why Hostess went bankrupt...I'm sure that some of your rambling points like Obamacare and stubborn unions had an influence, but these are the main reasons:
1. DECREASED DEMAND FOR PRODUCTS. Since their latest bankruptcy filing, demand for Hostess' products decreased by 4.2%. This follows a trend over the years with "junk food", sweet fatty foods are not very popular anymore (good!). Don't take my word for it, read about this in the company's own bankruptcy filing in Fortune: http://www.quora.com/Business/Did-Hostess-go-bankrupt-in-2012-because-people-think-Twinkies-are-gross-and-generally-nobody-likes-cheap-prepackaged-baked-snacks-anymore
Jon Dufresne
2:27 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
2. DEBT Hostess had ~$800 million in debt with just over a billion in assets. With that type of debt-assets ratio, it is difficult to see how the company could make a profit. While its competitors were investing in marketing, technology, and making the company more efficient to match demand, Hostess was paying off debt and interest. Where did all of this debt come from? It's chief source of unsecured debt is its labor unions and pension funds, meaning that it was not meeting its agreed obligations to its employees well before it even filed for bankruptcy. Likely, many of these obligations are going to be swept away by the bankruptcy so that means people pension funds. These are NOT greedy unions, but lifelong retired employees that worked there for years and have to now work as a Walmart greeter because their pension fund went bust thanks to...
3. GREEDY (MIS) MANAGEMENT Mysteriously, just before the company filed for bankruptcy, the company tripled the CEO's pay. Why? Becuase he was doing such a good job...I don't think so. It was another golden parachute. Again, greedy executives get rewarded while the retiree who worked their all their life gets a pension taken away.
Your friendly (not) local Farmington Hills Curmudgeon!!
9:12 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Oh for crying out loud. Lee? I appreciate your sense of humor - and ask you to ignore these typical pompous and arrogant comments that make Farmington Hills such a dull and boring place to live.
Oh and BTW: There are somedays that I just need a Hostess cupcake from the gas station without all the ridiculous Catholic guilt...
:-O
R Jeppostol
2:53 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012
I feel sad for all the cops out there:/
Sue Czarnecki
3:21 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012
Maybe the box they come in ???? All those products are lousy. A mouthful of chemicals in each bite.
TonyL
12:30 am on Sunday, November 18, 2012
Hostess executives gave themselves lavish raises. The CEO 300% while at least nine other top executives were to see their pay increase between 35%-80%. And after coming out of bankruptcy with 110 million in concessions the closing of 21 plants and a reduction of about 17000 workers, Hostess again approached its unionized workers to accept another round of concessions, this time much, much worse than during the first bankruptcy benefit cuts totaling between 27-32%.
So, while you watch newscasters make amusing stories out of desperate people racing to the store for their last package of Hostess Twinkies or Cupcakes ask yourself why they fail to cover the other side of the story. With the collapse of the American Icon Hostess, over 18,500 working Teamsters and Bakers have lost their jobs just in time for Thanksgiving. Thanks investment bankers, vulture capitalists.
Hostess is a microcosm of whats happening at large. A certain class of people are extracting the equity from our society and flushing the rest of us down the drain.
FHVoice
2:06 am on Sunday, November 18, 2012
Hostess consumed by vulture capitalism. What a surprise that having fed, it wants to discard the carcass and move on to the next victim.
Your friendly (not) local Farmington Hills Curmudgeon!!
9:16 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
I would like to point out that BAIN CAPITAL bought Dominos Pizza many years ago and due to the fact that ALL PARTIES involved COOPERATED in the company restructure... that now Dominos Pizza is not only alive and well but it has AMAZING good pizza that gets to you door VERY HOT.
And save the negative comments about Dominos Pizza. If you have not tried it lately - then you don't know how good it is.
Thank you.
GiGi
12:37 am on Sunday, November 18, 2012
We choose what we eat and how we exercise...not companies. As far as chemicals and genetically engineered food that would be the fault of the Government..FDA & USDA!!! You can't even trust some organic foods thanks to them!! Just think, now our great (NOT) Government is in the Health Care business??? Almost everyone I know has had to take a pay cut of some sort! My heavens, even our OUTSTANDING Saline School Teachers took cuts! This is an injustice by the Union..shame on them and the employees for not taking concessions. But they do have Obama to take care of them. Oh yes, I will miss the hostess cup cakes and the cherry pies = • {
FHVoice
2:24 am on Sunday, November 18, 2012
GiGi, is your ignorance by oversight or choice?
Hostess "filed for its first bankruptcy in 2004, citing declining sales, high food costs, excess capacity and worker benefit expenses."
"Hostess was able to exit bankruptcy in 2009" because of an "equity infusion of $130 million" from a private equity firm, as well as "substantial concessions by the two big unions" and lenders that "agreed to say in the game rather than drive Hostess into liquidation." [Forbes, 7/26/12]
Read that carefully: "substantial concessions by the two big unions".
Forbes explained that Hostess was able to exit bankruptcy in 2009 for three reasons, including that "substantial concessions" were made "by the two big unions" -- the Teamsters and the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union. Forbes further explained that "annual labor cost savings to the company were about $110 million" and that "thousands of union members lost their jobs." [Forbes, 7/26/12]
After coming out of the first bankruptcy, Hostess' creditors noted that Hostess had dramatically increased executive pay, including increasing CEO compensation from $750,000 to $2.25 million. Hostess' creditors called the move "a possible effort to 'sidestep' Bankruptcy Code compensation programs":
Hostess had stopped contributing to workers' pensions and wanted to cut wages and benefits "by 27% to 32%":
Bad management, not unions, are the problem here. More detail: http://goo.gl/ZcSF3
Lee Jacobsen
12:25 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
Unions and work rules killed Hostess.
Hostess was party to 372 separate collective bargaining agreements (CBAs"). The CBAs collectively mandated maintenance of 80 different health and welfare benefit plans, The unions have work rules that hamstring operations. For example, Hostess often provided both bread and cake products to an individual customer location. The existing work rules require that, on many routes, separate trucks must deliver the bread and cake products to that single customer location. The work rules also require that, in some bakeries and distribution centers, a separate individual must be used to load the trucks (competitors have drivers who load their own trucks) and separate people must load either bread or cake onto a truck. Finally, work rules require that, in some instances even when a route representative is already visiting a customer location, that representative may not move product within that location; rather, a separate employee must visit the customer location to move product from the back room to the shelf. Often, this so-called "pull-up" employee cannot move both bread and cake and, thus, two "pull-up" employees must make this same trip. This multiplies the number of individuals necessary to deliver product to customers and doubles the fuel and truck costs. Finally, the work rules prevent Hostess from implementing alternative distribution systems into new, currently unserved markets. Again, outmoded union rules killed Hostess.
Frustrated Old Man
8:09 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
I don't suppose this had anything to do with the failure of Hostess? Don't get be wrong, I'm not a big fan of unions, but I am a big fan of factual information!
Former Hostess Twinkies CEO tripled salary to $2.5m while preparing to file bankruptcy
"BCTGM members are well aware that as the company was preparing to file for bankruptcy earlier this year, the then CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) and at least nine other top executives of the company received massive pay raises. One such executive received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000 and another received one taking his salary from $375,000 to $656,256."
More info here:
http://americablog.com/2012/11/hostess-twinkie-ceo-salary.html
Thomas Gagne
8:37 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
In financial straights, boards will often incentivize their CEOs to stay on-board. I don't personally know if the CEO was worth it, but we have yet to see how much money he collects for Hostess' creditors and shareholders. The difference between $0.20/dollar and $0.40/dollar may mean he's worth every penny. Apparently, the board thinks so, and depending on how many shares each of them owns, they may very-well have been looking out for other shareholders, including pension funds and 401Ks.
Darren Whittaker
8:52 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
I knew I'd find the anti-worker trolls on this thread, thanks for proving me right. As with most of them, Mr. Jacobsen chooses to ignore actual facts in favor of knee-jerk union bashing. People like this tend to want workers (you know, the ones who actually make the product) to roll over again and again, accepting minimum-wage jobs while incompetent management stuffs their pockets and leaves the company an ineffective shell of what it used to be. I'd like to know where he works, and if he'd be OK with being told that tomorrow, they were going to cut his pay by 50%, jack up his health care, and rescind work safety rules...but, hallelujah, he'd be able to keep his job. Or maybe he's retired, living on a pension promised to him under contract and therefore comfortable with telling others how selfish they are.
Sad, sad, sad.
Hartland HS Parent
10:06 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
FHVoice...Just as poor management AND unions worked hand in hand to create this mess at Hostess, the same can be said of the GM mess. The government should have stayed out of that one, just like they stayed out of the Hostess mess. But now we all own more than half of the poor managed GM, with its union issues (until history repeats itself) and can't even console ourselves with a a twinkie. and Darren W., 5,000 union workers can thank themselves for costing 13,500 other people thier jobs. Wether the jobs were "good' or "bad", those 13,500 weren't planning on walking away that day.
Lee Jacobsen
12:25 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Darren, At Hostess, management did not create the union work rules by themselves, the unions shackled themselves with the draconian methods that forced Hostess out of being competitive. It would be like having Hostess required to use only a fax machine, while everyone else uses emails. We all know the silly rules at Cobo hall, ie the Auto Show, where only union electrical folk are allowed to put a plug in the wall, only union folk are allowed to move a table. The same lack of not using common sense between management & unions, put Hostess under. Their competition did not have the same restrictions, and will take over the brands. Odds are, many of the Hostess workers will get hired, but with new work rules, ones that make common sense for a change.
Regarding where I work, that is no secret, I am self employed, and have often gone without a paycheck in order to make payroll for my employees, OSHA covers the safety of my plant, and are my workers happy? Since most have been with me over 17 years, and I have taught every employee how to run their presses and/or job, I would say your comments apply more to yourself than me. We all work on a
'free will' basis, you are free to leave a job any time, for any reason, and I, as an employer, am free to ask you to seek employment elsewhere for any reason. Drop by the plant Darren, and I will give you a tour, you can judge for yourself. Unlike others, to your credit , at least you use your full name on this blog.
Darren Whittaker
7:56 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Lee: I agree, some unions sometimes take things to a questionable degree of micro-management. But this strike was not primarily over "union rules", but about third or fourth waves of wage cuts and health care costs. Remember, the union did agree to cut their wages and benefits multiple times before, and alter work rules to at least some degree. These were codified in a CONTRACT, which used to mean PROMISE. Their concessions were met with the company selling itself off at least twice, filing bankruptcy in order to further renege on what was initially promised, new owners decimating many real assets of the company while piling it with suffocating debt, and jacking up management compensation, sometimes exponentially. Eventually, the workers said enough is enough. Those wage and benefit cuts were never going to come back, and in all likelihood they would face the same situation over and over again.
Hartland: I think the workers and union knew that their jobs were in jeopardy, and many said so. It came down to how low they were willing to stoop to keep them, and given the company's history, decided that there was a threshold below which they could not go.
Lee Jacobsen
3:07 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Jon, In order to survive, a company like Hostess must be competitive. Old inefficient ways and practices must be replaced with modern methods. Of course the unions liked the old ways, the money was good. But without a profit, the incentive to stay in business is gone, and that was Hostess's demise. The could not compete with the shackles placed on their shoulders, not all union, but enough to sink the company. Of course, a product going out of favor didn't help much either. I agree, Hiring gents at big bucks to save the company rarely works, and looks bad to boot. But sometimes, a turnaround expert can get the job done. They don't work cheap and they don't work free. However, do you just give up? With Hostess, working with what, 80 unions, they didn't have a chance. Even the union didn't want partial ownership. Of course, all those Hostess workers did the right thing, saved their pay, and invested wisely, and didn't depend heavily on those loathsome owners to provide for them, right? Last time I checked, pensions were a benefit. Most have been replaced by 401K plans anyway. Bottom line, in a free will society, the union is free to strike, and the company owners are free to close the doors.
You are free to refuse to pay an Obamacare tax, and take the matter to court, or pay the tax/penalty and be covered. Companies are free to send folk to the Obamacare exchanges, and they have the freedom to make a choice. You are free to gripe, go for it.
dan rice
10:31 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Lee Jacobsen: the union didn't unilaterally impose these work rules. Whatever was in the contract was negotiated and agreed to by mgt. If this mgt is so great and worthy of a tripling of their compensation, why didn't they negotiate better? Interesting how mgt getting all they can is something to be admired, but viewed differently when rank & file does it.
One last thought: where does ethical behavior come into play. Just because mgt can award itself more money (after winning concessions from the unions), should they?
Stealth Citizen
12:14 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Thank you Mr. Rice! To those who are content on being critical of unions, President Obama etc. I would like to ask you to learn FACTS before posting such bogus comments. These unions have not negotiated in a vacuum. Management agreed to the current situation at some point (whether sustainable or not). Such dire straits call for such desparate measures? Then why would management take such lofty bonuses for themselves? Shared sacrifice? Where is it??
Now for those of you who insist on bashing "Obamacare", I take it that you didn't vote for President Obama? Assuming that is the case, it is fair to assume that you probably believe the fairytales of him being born in Kenya and that he's a "Muslim"?? If this is the case, it stands to reason that you truly believe that "Obamacare" is going to cost taxpayers more than what we currently are paying?? Got news for you....you have been paying for the uninsured for your ENTIRE LIFE!!! Try getting into an accident with a uninsured motorist and ask your agent "Who's going to pay for this???" Try spending some time at your local hospital (as I have) and see all the UNINSURED patients that clog our medical facilities DAILY! Then ask yourself..."Who's paying for this???" The answer is WE ALL ARE (taxpayers only)!!! Stop with the Hate already, please!!!
Thomas Gagne
7:28 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Stealth, I've been thinking about the fact that management signed the same contract the union did. They did it at GM, Delphi, Chrysler, Hostess, and everywhere else unions have organized. I wonder if unions don't have too much power, pressuring management into accepting untenable contracts just so their companies may stay in business. Sure, Hostess and others signed those contracts, but I wonder what the alternatives were to signing the contract.
Stealth Citizen
12:17 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Read Frustrated Old Man's post above....he explains it all!!!
FHVoice
12:36 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Lee's analysis of the Hostess situation is just plain wrong. Hostess has been going broke for a long, long time under poor management, and now the vultures are setting it up for the final kill.
Hostess declared bankruptcy in 2004 with $450 million in debt. A a private equity firm took over. Instead of paying off the debt, the firm borrowed a lot and charged the loan as well as management fees to Hostess, so Hostess went from being $450M in debt to $1B. They laid off 20% of the workers and STOPPED PAYING into the pension fund as well. Regardless of all the executive compensation shooting through the roof, Hostess returned to threatening employees and begging for bankruptcy.
So, 18,000 workers just found out that they are going to get fired just before the holidays. This is the second time in three years Hostess has asked its employees to cut their salaries and sacrifice benefits to keep the company going. After getting huge concessions 3 years ago, Hostess is now requiring ANOTHER 8% pay CUT and a 17% CUT in benefits.
The situation is insane. In the bankruptcy hearing today Hostess attorneys said they want to fire 18,000 employees at the same time they want to pay out $1.75 million in incentives to 19 senior managers. The equity firm has gotten its profits out and plan to walk away owing nothing, dumping the pension debt on the American taxpayers.
For more see http://goo.gl/nnwUb
As for Lee's posts, don't believe the type.
FHVoice
1:08 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
A pension is part of a compensation package, just as is health care insurance. Owners offer them as ways to attract and keep skilled workers. Employees should not be vilified for expecting the offered pension and/or healthcare to be there when they need it.
Of course, owners can change the rules, but reducing the package and the pay of employees says a lot about the commitment of the owner to the employees.
I wonder if Lee's employees have been told to expect to have their benefits discontinued and their hours cut as part of Lee's expression of resentment to President Obama's re-election victory and passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
I also wonder how Lee's new statement of loyalty will impact quality, production, and retention of machining experience.
Lee Jacobsen
5:04 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
FHvoice, you are right, owners can change the rules regarding benefits, and those rule changes they make are a direct result of the new rules of Obamacare. My employees look forward to the changes, and picking their own health care coverage from the exchanges. No pay is being reduced. If they pick the Obama plan, odds are it will cost them more. They know that. My employees know taxes are increasing, and Obama wants more $$ out of their pockets. I plan to 'help out' with healthcare, but my healthcare now was much less cost that what Obama suggests for the future, and my folk liked the old B/C. I plan to contribute the same on healthcare, and if my folk want more, they are willing to pay for it. As heathcare premiums go up, (30% in 2013) due to Obamacare, employees will need to take up the slack. They know that. I post the increases from B/C. After all, they are buying a product, using it, and need to pay for it. Obamacare is the one discontinuing or replacing my employee's healthcare policy, not me. If I don't choose the expensive Obamacare plan as a model, then I simply pay a penalty and let the employees pick and pay for themselves. What is wrong with that? Obama will be the reason they are paying more for healthcare, and you simply resent the fact that I am pointing out the obvious role Obama has in increasing those healthcare costs to my employees. Many shops have no insurance at all, the money is just not there. What will they do?
Stealth Citizen
8:17 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Thomas, I have seen the negotiation process and the suggestion that the bosses have agreed to certain union demands out of fear is erroneous. In the best of times the unions have taken concessions ie. health care, pension reductions, pay cuts etc. only to see management take huge pay raises all in the name of "making the company profitable". This abuse has a name. It's called American greed. Unions are not the problem.
Lee Jacobsen
10:50 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Stealth, are you saying unions are not greedy, just like management?
Of course they are, just as greedy as management. When management gets greedy, workers get unhappy and go on strike. When unions get too greedy, businesses simply call it 'quits'. In the good ole USA, we have the freedom of choice to make our own decisions. Hostess made some poor decisions on both sides, and , like TWA, Solyndra, and other comanies, they are closing the doors.
Others will buy the brands. Many jobs will be saved. Life goes on.
Interesting about all the angst regarding a 8% cut in pay for the unions at Hostess, yet not a peep when , under Obamacare, Docs will be taking a 27% pay cut with Medicare patients.
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2012/08/obamacare-undermines-physicians-quality-of-care
Oh, I forgot. All doctors are rich, so they can afford it ....right?
Mike Reno
8:22 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
I think you misunderstand the consequences of the government meddling in the private sector.
FORBES: How Obamacare's $716 Billion in Cuts Will Drive Doctors Out of Medicare
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/08/20/how-obamacares-716-billion-in-cuts-will-drive-doctors-out-of-medicare/
"In 2011, the Department of Health and Human Services attempted to conduct an investigation into the problem of physicians opting out of Medicare. But they had to shutter the inquiry, because the government doesn’t “maintain sufficient data regarding physicians who opt out of Medicare.”
A memorandum sent by the lead investigator to acting Medicare chief Marilyn Tavenner concluded that the problem is getting worse. “Based on the limited data that we received, the number of opted-out physicians appears to have increased each year from 2006 to 2010,” wrote the inspector. “More physicians may opt out in the near future.”"
Lianne Mathie
9:04 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
The topic is Hostess treats. I think this conversation is off topic because it really has nothing to do with the above article.The situation at Hostess pre dates any recent action to changes in the law in regard to ACA.
Fine if people want to vent about policy,but doing it on this thread is wildly off topic.
Stealth Citizen
12:46 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Lee, there's greed to be had on both sides however, there are unions and businesses who truly get along quite well and both are profitable and fair. It is spoken of the 8 percent cut as if that is the only cut these workers had been asked/forced to take. When was the last time these workers had a raise? Try making $40k/yr and take a 8 percent cut +pay more for everything. Much easier to absorb this cut the more money you make.
Stealth Citizen
12:50 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
If the wealthy paid their fair percentage of taxes in this country we wouldn't have these problems. Warren Buffet speaks the truth on this matter. What is astounding is that middle class Americans buy into the greed against them. Cut taxes for wealthy and tax the working man and retirees. SMH
dan rice
1:30 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
how did a discussion on Hostess bankruptcy veer off into a rant on Medicare reimbursement rates for physicians?
Back to Hostess...if mgt had understood the benefits of a collaborative, rather than adversial relationship with the union, they'd be in a much improved business position today. Instead, they chose the path of running the company into the ground, and stuffing their pockets with cash in the process. Once again i ask, what are the moral and ethical responsibilities of this mgt team?
Laura Vogel
2:38 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
how did a question about which Hostess product was/is your favorite veer off into a rant about evil bosses and greedy unions, either?
Lee Jacobsen
8:29 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Laura, good point! Back to the subject of food...... Twinkies used to be a favorite in the lunch box, but somewhere along the way, I suspect the product changed. Sort of like messing with the original Coke formula, now we have Coke zero, diet coke, new coke, classic coke, etc.
Twinkies used to taste alright. Now, what taste? Chemicals.....